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SGM Racepaint - In the booth for re-spray 2

Post by Buzzonion Vtec » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:55 pm

Update 9 – Originally Posted - Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:37 pm

http://preludeuk.forumup.com/viewtopic. ... =preludeuk


Just a teeny weeny little update tonight for you all and only one picture :shock: :lol:



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Car is now completely prepped and primered inside, outside, engine bay and underside.

They decided it was easier just to paint the lot again rather than try masking areas off :lol:
The roof is being done a different colour anyway, and the n/s/r quarter needed painting because of the petrol flap conversion that really only left the o/s/r quarter and a few other smaller sections.
SGM Racepaint wanted to do a top job on it as did Custom Fabrications so they both decided to go ahead and do it all anyway and surprise me 8)


Happy days :D


Should be back at C.F workshop on Tuesday so am going up to get the suspension back in place before we fabricate the front crossmember and adjustable strut rods.
Steering rack subframe and rear subframe have been lightened and strengthened so will get some pics of those before they go back on if possible.

To be continued :arrow:


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MaDMaXX wrote:I don't know why, but that pic is really nice, shows progress, promise and good things that have been and to come :)

Good news Rich, glad it's moving along :)

Bri wrote:I want that spray shop and your lude :lol: Nice work this is gona be somthing else!

I would sell a leg to be able to do somthing like this!

Buzzonion Vtec wrote:
Bri wrote:I would sell a leg to be able to do somthing like this!
Join the queue...I've got mine on ebay so don't steal my thunder.
Already sold my kidneys, liver and splean to medical science....not that their any good mind you...I think they just wanted them to use as an example of how not to treat your body's delicate internal organs :oops: :lol:

Yeah I agree with you Dave, when that pic arrived on my phone yesterday it marked a turning point in the project. It's all about building it back up from this point onwards.

Now who's gonna help me out by buying some of the stuff I've got for sale? :D

MaDMaXX wrote:Short of the stuff you've advertised, i think i might have a nosey at what you've got when i'm there, and anything you can think of before then that i might like or need, just mention it ;)


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SGM Racepaint - Re-spray and back at Custom Fab

Post by Buzzonion Vtec » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:56 pm

Update 10 – Originally Posted - Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:01 am

http://preludeuk.forumup.com/viewtopic. ... =preludeuk


Here we go then boys and girls.... the latest updates.

First and foremost I want to publicly acknowledge the awesome work carried out in the cage build and body shell work on this project by

Andy and Simon @ Custom Fabrications - cage, boot floor work, seam welding, etc etc - you've all seen the pics, it's no wonder that Prodrive didn't want to let them go!! 8)

and

SGM Racepaint in Banbury - awesome work, going above and beyond to get the results you are about to see. Trust me..that shell took some prep work and the finish in the flesh is just amazing which is no more than you should expect from a company who look after cars that have won five WRC titles, two Le Mans titles, two BTCC titles and numerous championship and event wins around the world :shock: 8)


These pics were from Andy who (along with Simon) has been keeping an eye on things while the car was at SGM

Right, so you've seen the shell in the spray booth all in primer.....well here it is all in primer except for the roof which has now been painted in super smooth deep black 8)

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Then on monday and tuesday they finished off the rest of the paintwork.
Here's SGM finishing off the buffing work to the new paintwork.
Aston Martin deep metalic silver, Performance Autoworks Orange, and Custom Fabrications Black.....quite a combination 8)

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And now onto the main course. What follows is a selection of the pics I took last night showing some of the highlights and my favourite bits.

I'll not post up all the pictures I took last night (circa 50 of them) but they are all there on my gallery of the build -
05 - Custom Fabrication and SGM Race Paint

I'll also not go into too much detail describing what the picture shows...for the most part the cage and fabrication works have already been detailed during the write up as I've been going along.
There are some bits to talk about all the same 8)


Arrived at CF workshops, this is the sight that I was greeted with.
To say I was gobsmacked is an understatement. I knew the colours and I had a good idea of how it was going to look but even so I was still speachless for a little while

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The engine bay has been smoothed, all factory trim and bolt holes covered with adhesive pads, sealed and painted over - this gives it all a nice smooth finish. It's now up to me to uncover the only holes needed during the build.

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Check out the quality of the finish to the paint job on the cage and interior. I didn't think it would be possible for it to look this good but the combination of the fabrication quality and the paint finish is simply stunning.

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Yep, they even did the hard to reach places with just as much care and attention to get the same level of finish.

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This pic shows where the C-pillar weight reduction cut-outs have been aluminum taped before the paintwork was done. This just gives a nicer smoother look to the finish. Might be a little hard to spot so have added a "before" shot of the other side as well


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My photography skills don't do the paintwork the justice it deserves I'm afraid but here's a couple of examples of the orange and the black roof.
I think it's still fairly obvious to see why I'm so bloody pleased with it :lol:

You can see the fuel flap is now a distant memory and is now replaced by the custom recessed panel for the aero filler cap 8)

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So did it stop there? Body, interior and engine bay all back looking nice and presentable now.
Hmmm what about the wheel arches then....surely a few layers of black stone chip would do the job eh? Well yes but it wouldn't look as nice as this and the stonechip is a bit heavy :lol:
Here's some wheel arch pictures

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Front upper chassis legs have received the aluminum tape treatment like the C-pillars. This will stop it all filling up with crud thrown up from the road. Here's a before and after pic to show you what I mean

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You've probably guess already but they didn't just stop at the wheel arches. What with all the boot floor and rear chassis x-member fabrication plus of course all the seam welding something had to be done to the underside of the car.... Stonechip? ... Nahhhhh 8)

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While I was up there at CF we decided it was as good a time as any to get the front subframe and suspension bolted back into the car so that it could come off the spits permanantly. The suspension will need to come back off the car once it's back at Performance Autoworks workshop as there are lots of plans for that and it all needs overhauling now anyway.
Anyway, at least now it's sat back on it's own front suspension

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And then finally (for now), we just couldn't resist the temptation to get the steering column and seat bolted back in place...and then mock up the rear wheel so we could take a sneaky preview of a more complete look.

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Can't tell you how chuffed I am with the way this is turning out... the whole thing started out with the intention of being done "right" but it somehow seems to keep going past my original expectations...and by that I mean everyone that has been involved.... me included :lol:


Thanks as usual for looking, any comments, feedback, questions are as usual fully welcomed 8)

Cheers
Rich
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Mattblack_lude wrote:Bloody hell :shock:

This is for you good sir =D>

njord wrote:i think the guys who have done the work is amzing,

wish i had that sort off money to do what ur doing, i am still doing it though, just going to take me alot longer.

but spent most off the money on the engine so going to do the whole fabrication myself, soon to start the roll cage.

just leave the painting to a expert as it worth it.

i bet ur over the moon with it and its great seeing it all go back together again

Frank wrote:argh really wish i could view pics at work lol stil read the write up though. its gonna be one hell of a car. is it next season you'll be racing? would love to see this baby in action

frank

Mart609 wrote:totally speeceless!
the amount of detail thats gone in there is amazing [smilie=hate-bravo2.gif]

Merlin wrote:Im sure it will look great once its all finished, im drooling atm :lol:

Taffylude wrote:Arggh, non of the pictures are working now in your last post Rich :?

Merlin wrote:They do for me, however this doesnt work:

http://buzzinvtec.fotopic.net/c1522707.html

"The collection you have requested from this gallery does not exist or is not available"

paul bristol uk wrote:Pics don't work for me either :(

Performance Autoworks wrote:Sorry guys it seems that Fotopic are having some problems at the mo.... either that or I've outstayed my welcome with them :shock:

Have e-mailed them to see whats going on, hopefully it'll all be back up and running soon enough.

MaDMaXX wrote:Argh, noooo, Rich fix the pics!! :)

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Post by Buzzonion Vtec » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:36 pm

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Ok well it appears that my daily gallery bandwidth limit got exceeded in record time today :shock:

I have upgraded my account so hopefully they will be up and running again in the morning...if they're not I'm gonna have to get serious with them. :twisted:

I'm away now for most of the weekend with the race team at Snetterton and then back up at CF workshop on Sunday so won't be able to do anything about it until Sunday night now. :x


Just to answer a couple of posts while I'm here

njord -
Thanks and yes I am totally over the moon with it.
One thing though and I hope this doesn't sound like a dig at you cos it's not meant to but...
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is far from a "money no object" build, it is self financed the hard way by working my balls off till all hours, selling stuff I never wanted to sell and generally speaking not having much of a life like going out and hitting the pubs and clubs. There is no way I could have afforded to simply stump up a load of cash for the whole project to be done if I wasn't able to do as much of it as possible.

Also it wouldn't have been possible without the backing and support of Andy and Simon @ Custom Fabrication and now of course SGM Racepaint. The work being done is still costing me a few quid of course but certainly nowhere near what it should do as they wanted to use the car as a showpiece for what they can do in exchange for logos on the car (they have the roof all to themselves) and promotion through the forums I'm on and our company.

Like I said, wasn't meant as a dig but I do get alot of people making inaccurate assumptions about my wealth or lack of it. I am in the same boat as anyone else on here... how far you want to go all depends on how much you are willing to sacrifice... oh and bear in mind that the car hasn't seen any meaningful action for 20 months now !! It saw some road work about 9 months ago or so but literally that's it. This has been very much a slow process overall :(


Frank --
Cheers mate, well believe it or not the "original" plan should have seen me out racing it this year but what with one setback after another, not enough time and not enough money I decided to start from scratch and take the long path. I'd love to have it all up and running and back together in time for some testing ready for racing next year but we'll see. This build HAS to be done right...the standards have just gone too high for it to become a throw together job.


Mart, Merlin -
Cheers guys, I'm glad I'm not the only one that ended up speechless and drooling :lol:


Dave and Dave -
Fingers crossed the pics will be back up for you soon


As I said in my post - The car will be making a personal appearance at Rally Day @ Castle Combe on Sept 19th. Obviously it won't be there on it's own :lol: - myself, Si and Sam - Performance Autoworks - along with Andy and Simon Custom Fabrications) will be there with a couple of other cars. Come along, enjoy the day and come and have a chat
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Cheers
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njord wrote:i know its not a dig at me as i know how costly things get as i am also like u. wish money was no object but its nice to do stuff yourself.

selling stuff, having to work loads, lots of time in having boring nites in.

ur just lucky that u do have a few conections and there helping u out, i hope that my car turns out well and might even see u on the track.

Bri wrote:Very very impressive 8) This is getting better and better. Glad the pics are sorted now Rich.

This should be XXX rated thread :P Keep up the hard work. Im going to try and save up enough dough to send my lude over to you. May be quite a while yet though :lol:

MaDMaXX wrote:That looks fantastic Rich, and yes, the pics are back up 8)

I'm really looking forward to seeing this in person, even in it's non built up state i'll be able to appreciate just how good it all is.
You're right about us all being in the same money boat, it'd be great if we could all spend what we want to :}
I don't even know what a night out is anymore :oops:

Oh, and i was right about the detail level, you must see that now, mine looks good and should be solid, but you *know* yours is absolutely bang on! :)

Let me know your weekends for Sept if you can please Rich, i see the 3rd week is at Combe.

saks bb4 wrote::shock: Amazing!

Now thats what you call a super clean shell 8)
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Back at Performance Autoworks - The build up starts

Post by Buzzonion Vtec » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:41 pm

Update 11 – Originally Posted - Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:18 am

http://preludeuk.forumup.com/viewtopic. ... =preludeuk


Sorry I've not updated recently, not had much time to spend on t'internet for one reason or another so I'm playing catch up a little bit here.

So anyway...here we go... Update Phase 1




So from the last update there were a few more bits left for Custom Fabrications to do before releasing the car back to me.

Cast your mind back to when I suggested that this item was going to get the weight saving treatment

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Well that's the front subframe which has suspension compression struts (sometimes known as traction bars) running to it and also carries the front engine torque mount.
After much thought and discussion we came to the conclusion that rather than mess around trying to save some weight out of the bloody great ugly thing it would be far better just to make a new front end which would be stronger, lighter and incorporate adjustable compression struts. Here's the results in all it's nicely triangulated rose jointed goodliness 8)

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As a farewell present to the car the guys went all show and shine to produce this nifty little battery cover. They are also building me a custom oil catch tank which will sit really rather neatly out of the way at the back of the engine bay.

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And so with that, it was over to me for it's welcome return home 8)
Time to get a couple of shots that I've not been able to get so far

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Here's a reminder of the old rear end view complete with spare wheel well

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And here's how it looks now, complete with "nerf" bar to protect the rear floor....something that apparently was common practice in the Super Touring era.

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This is the underside of the boot floor/rear chassis now with suspension and subframe in place. This will all need to come apart again for further modification and freshening up of the suspension.

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I then couldn't resist the temptation to rest the carbon bonnet in place and quickly fit the bootlid and spoiler back into place...just to get an idea you understand :wink:

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Ok so that's where we were at as of Saturday the 5th September.

Now although I've said all along that there will be no rushing and no desperately trying to make it to deadlines there was one that has been looming up and that's Rally Day @ Castle Combe on 19th September.
Ourselves (Performance Autoworks) and Custom Fabrications have a trade stand at this event and we both want my car to be there and built up to a level but the standards have to be high...what a drag :wink:

What with work commitments amongst other things I really wasn't sure how much was going to get done...and more to the point I had to find all the stuff I took off the car and start getting it into some kind of presentable condition to bolt back on :shock:.
I still had/have plenty of plans and ideas of things I want to do during the build up so some things will need to be gone back over after the show.

Anyway...onwards and upwards....... chuffed to bits to have it back home and my god it doesn't half pump up the old enthusiasm 8)


Rich
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Build Up 2 - Body Parts

Post by Buzzonion Vtec » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:42 pm

Update 12 – Originally Posted - Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:29 am

http://preludeuk.forumup.com/viewtopic. ... =preludeuk

Ok, so we're onto Phase 2 of the update now :D

This will bring you all bang up to date with where I am with the car at the moment.




To be honest I didn't know where to start so I figured the back end was as good a place as any.
Had a good sort out of all my sets of rear lights (found out I've got a total of 6 pairs :shock:), jumbled all the bits up to create the absolute best condition pair I could. Gave them a bloody good clean and then refitted them along with the newly cleaned boot seal.
Decided now was as good a time as any to fit the spangly recessed aero fuel filler and neck - Perfect 8)

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Next was to tackle the bootlid. I'd already bolted on the boot spoiler so all I had to do was mount the plastic number plate holder/surround. You may remember that I cut out all of the inner skins of bootlid that once held this piece in place so the best and lightest option was to bond it back in.
You can just make out in the second pic that I left a small section of the original metalwork in place to allow for mounting of number plate lights...I know you don't need them for a race car but all along the plan has always been to get this thing road legal (or near enough anyway :wink:), it just makes testing things so much easier.

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What next? Well how about some doors?
I was all set to bolt the hinges on and mount the doors when something dawned on me... these hinges are bloody heavy !!
I don't know if anybody here has felt the weight of a fully loaded Prelude door but let me assure you that they are very heavy so obviously Mr Honda needed to ensure it's hinges were suitably heavy duty...fair enough.
Thing is my doors are gutted bare so weigh nowhere near as much as they used to...in fact I'd say a third of the weight easy !
I think the following pics tell their own story

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Yes that really is 620grams for a bloody door hinge !!




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Yes that's 260grams saved per hinge....a bloody kilo in door hinge material...who'd have thought it!



All 4 done, primered and painted

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Now we can bolt them on and get them pesky doors hung...what a fussy ballache of a job but worth it in the end to get them sat nicely

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Figured now was as good a time as any to mount the rear bumper, unwrapped it from it's protective paper which it had sat in since Kris had painted them months ago only to find that the inside of them looked a bit on the messy side - different shades of red, some orange and some black untreated original plastic. Now I know you'll not ever really see that but i know it's there and that wasn't good enough so a nice dusting of satin black later made things so much nicer 8)

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While that was drying I thought I'd take a look at the front one....unwrapped it and yep the back inside could do with the same treatment but more importantly the visible black recessed areas were looking pretty tired. Kris did a great job of masking them off previously so all it took was to mask off the surrounding area, a quick going over with a scotch pad and a dusting of satin black to restore to it's former glory

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While I had the black paint out I decided I might as well tidy up the rest of the bumper and front end parts such as the nostrils, bumper mounts (previously lightened many years ago), grill mesh, indicators, and fog lamp surrounds (brake ducts).
The indicators are a bit of a tempory thing really as I intend to relocate the indicators upto where the current sidelights are (part of the headlamp). The old indicators will then be replaced with either black painted ally plate or carbon.
Now I know all this stuff is purely cosmetic but I'm only ever gonna do this build once and I want it to look the absolute nuts when it's finished, the whole thing has to be done to a high standard ...that's very important to me.... it also has to look nice :wink:
Once done, the wings and headlamps could be bolted into place using some rather nice lightweight aluminum bolts 8), then the bumper fitted complete with all it's freshened up black fittings

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Freshly painted roof rails/trims refitted. That in itself is a real testament to the skill and quality of workmanship from Custom Fabrications - remember, the roof has been removed and refitted on this car yet still the trims fit absolutely perfectly 8)


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Ok so I had got to a stage where the bumpers and panels were back in place and looking good, I'd saved some more weight and found a few further areas to save a bit more...what I really wanted to do now was see how the package was going to look on it's race wheels at race height. So it was up in the air, free off and adjust the poor neglected Dampertech/Gaz coilovers, pop the wheels on and drop it off the ramp.





This was about to make or break my enthusiasm and motivation.......:shock:

(apologies for the grainy pics..this all happened around 8.30pm on Sunday evening)







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Motivated? Enthused?


Well I smiled alot, motivated myself to the fridge, cracked open a tin of Stella and proceeded to drink it with real enthusiasm while wandering around the car eyeing up all the angles......... 8)

I am indeed a happy chap :D



Oh and first thing this morning I decided to try and get a couple of better pics.
There's something kinda Super Tourer esque about it don't you think?

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And don't forget - This coming Saturday at Castle Combe is the big annual Rally Day event. We'll be there along with Custom Fabrications, The Lude, Kris' race Civic and a rather tasty Old Skool Lancer Turbo...come along and say hello and take a closer look 8)



As always, thanks for taking an interest.
Questions, feedback, comments are all welcome :D

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paul bristol uk wrote:Absolute quality work, I love the attention to everything you do. I love the hinges(I just hope some of the forum members don't decide to do it to a standard door) :lol:

bootyinspector wrote:When I get to work, log onto PUK and see an update on this thread it really brightens my day! :lol:

Nafeman wrote:I love reading this post. Still one day I hope to be able to have the time space and money to do something like this :) ... And by that time I'll also have the know-how :wink:

I have to ask, do have any idea of how much the final build will have cost?... Including your man-hours obviously as if you were building it for someone else :wink:

mercutio wrote:this looks amazing but what happens with the front engine mount ? i like the look of the adjustable traction bars that looks a really neat solution to the big clumsy crossmember

RattyMcClelland wrote:Speechless. Plus i feel very horney again. thanks..Right where is my girlfriend. 8)

Hyabusa Hunter wrote:buzz, that ooks insane.
i dont mean to pick but looking at the picture of the traction bars, they dont seem to be setup right. the position where the actually traction bar mounts to the front cross member doesnt look like its at the correct angle in relation to the Front LCA main pivot point.

MaDMaXX wrote:Wow, good job there Rich :shock:

Awesome turn around and i think i know exactly what you were doing once you'd lowered it down in "race trim" i've been doing it a lot lately ;) It does look very sweet and you're right, very like the super touring era 8)

It's really looking the dogs, but i now want a custom oil can on mines when it's down there, and the drivers door mounting checking, and maybe a rear light and and and :P

Really looking forward to seeing this car Rich, it's a tremendous effort, if i wasn't against the clock getting mine ready for that weekend, i'd pop to Combe and have a chinwag :)

Bri wrote:OMG :shock: I just got my enthusiasm back :D

Rich your costing me a fortune in Kleenex :lol:

Mattblack_lude wrote:That is brilliant progress, truly incredible.

It looks immense, and sooooo well done. "A proper job" :lol:

Keep us updated :wink:

Nucleustylz lude wrote:Yes Rich! =D>

As all have said before me, each and every update hits the spot.

Attention to weight saving is commendable. Looks stunning.

I'm kicking myself, as I really want to come up to the rally day (only down the road from me), but I've gotta take my mrs' dads car to my friends bodyshop and help out labouring. :( Bum Deal!

If I can get out early, I'll try and and head over.

The old skool lancer - is it the silver one I see at Japfest the last couple of years? Very nice. :D

rob quilter wrote:stunning, love the colour reminds me of the driftworks orange, white rims look awsome too 8) top work matey

popo bawa wrote:Stunning. I've just read the full thread, and I'm well impressed.

I wouldn't even like to think how many man hours have gone into it so far! :shock:

The cage work looks top notch too. Stitching the shell with TIG would of put a few quid in the swear box at the very least! I hated TIG stitching panels, even with no sealer the zinc coating found on Fords made it absolute bitch.

When MIG stitching shells we sand the bulk of the weld off to watch the weight.

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread- top work Richy 8)

pure led stew wrote:Rich, you're the man!!!

I'm sorta glad that I've come to this thread late... I've just spent the last 2 hours of my life reading it (impressive due to my poor attention span), and am in awe of you, the car, and the work done so far. It's been amazing to see the progress you've made. I think waiting on the next thrilling instalment would have been too frustrating for me in the early stages, however that's the boat I now find myself in!!! Can't wait for the next post.

When I first joined PUK I didn't really care much for 4th gens (am being brutally honest here guys), however thanks to this thread and the other 4th gen projects I've read so far I'm a complete convert.

Absolutely mind-blowing!!! Respect and best wishes. :D

ludey wrote:wow looking good to good to track in fact, will you bable to bring urself to track it? surely your going for perspax rear window if so i feel a group buy coming on (ha ha im wishing) [-o<
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Hello all :D


Well as usual I have a long list of excuses and reasons for not responding or keeping fully up to date on here. I'll not bore you with them here, I'll just get on and answer some of the comments made since my last update - apologies in advance if I miss anyone out.

First of all, thanks to everyone who has taken an interest or posted comments or asked questions, always happy to answer them it just may take some time so appologies in advance.

Before I get onto specific replies to comments left since my last update I'll cover a few of the more general commonly asked questions...think of it as a kind of FAQ if you like....or consider it random waffling - either way you can choose to read it or just skip through to the pretty pictures in my next post :lol:
Perhaps one day I'll run through all the comments/questions and index them on the first post as an FAQ index.

1)
I have been asked by several people why I have revealed so much information about the build so far, surely I should have kept quiet about some things done during the quest for lightness. My opinion is that as part of a Honda community there is no reason why I wouldn't share information and ways I've found to save weight - I hope it can help others in the future with their own projects rather than simply tell people I've saved X amount of weight out of the car and then clam up about where it's gone from.
Most of these things are just found by thinking outside the box and/or looking at things in detail. They are time consuming to do so nobody is going to beat a path to my (work) door and ask for me to do this for them...they simply couldn't justify the costs involved in paying to have this stuff done. Obviously different rules apply when it comes to finding certain engine build tricks that can make or break the difference between one of my engines or a competitors or likewise certain chassis/suspension tricks but mostly I still just tell it and show it like it is.
This can leave me open for criticism which I am happy to accept as long as it is constructive. I don't pretend to know all there is to know, I learn on a daily basis and am always happy to discuss or explain certain ideas with anybody that has an interest in what I'm doing.


2)
Another question asked or comment made several times both on forums and in person is usually something along the lines of :-
"looking good to good to race, will you be able to bring yourself to track or race it?"
OR
"this would be one hell of a show and shine motor. There HAS to be a small (or perhaps) large part of you that doesnt want to take this on track and ruin it?"
I have answered this in a post on another forum which I will now shamelessly cut and paste in here :oops:

I understand where you are coming from and I guess there is a tiny part of me that would love to finish the car and then just keep it as my undamaged/unmolested achievement BUT that would of course completely go against everything that I am doing with this car not to mention the fact that it would go against everything that I have done with the car in the past.
Yes I am pretty damn precious about it right now, who wouldn't be precious about something that they've sunk so much of their efforts and passion into?
However, it is being built for a reason and that reason is to go and race !!

I always loved the car looking good but it looked good at a distance... get up close and there were all sorts of scuffs, dents, chips etc from seasoned track use. It's not that I didn't care it's more that I see them as battle scars or trophys.
I'd hate to see it damaged of course but likewise I'll almost be relieved when it gets it's first rubber or bollard scuffs up the paintwork which means I can stop being so damn precious about it. :lol:

3)
"So are you going to shed some light Rich as to what plans you have for the engine?"

Well I have several options open to me.
Initially for the chassis set and general testing purposes I will run with a mildly modified H22 or H23VTEC. Basically something that is going to be treated as expendable. There are likely to be lots of hard test miles on track once it's finished and I just want something that will do the job without being something else that needs to be developed at the same time.

I make no secret of the fact that I built and was developing a 2.5lt darton sleeved high comp H22 before the big strip down began. I also make no secret of the fact that I had some small issues that needed resolving with it but on the whole the package was there and felt superb. This is ultimately what will end up in the car...potentially :wink:

There is also another option if I want to enter the car into a 2lt catagory.
I have formulated and gradually sourced many of the parts needed to build myself a nice 2lt forged H22 headed screamer. This will be based on a production block and is definately something I want to look at.

All of these can and will be couple together with the Kazz diff'd, 4.64 final drive M2F5 gearbox I have yet to put together.


As a few have mentioned..this really is a bit of a dream project for me and has progressed way beyond what I originally set out to do. This is one of the many reasons that it is taking a while to progress...that and always being at the back of the queue of cars in need of my attention.
When it's finished the last thing I want is to see it done and then think I wish I'd done that differently. I'm sure there will still be some things but that's life...I've done a few bare shell rebuilds of various cars over the years but this one is going to be the best one yet.


Thanks for bearing with me, I'll just run through a few specific comments and then I'll get onto the latest update

Nafeman
I really wouldn't like to put a figure on how much this is likely to have finally cost me in terms of real folding stuff type money. I have a rough idea of where I currently stand which is unsuprisingly quite alarming if you include all the engine build work already carried out before the big strip down started. Lets just say I could have gone out and bought something pretty decent and modern with what I've spent so far..... but that totally misses the point altogether in my opinion.
If I were then to include my man hours on top........ then it really does get into the realms of fantasy land or lunatic asylum levels of spend on a rusty old Prelude :lol:


mercutio
The absence of a front engine mount should not be an issue at all with the ultra stiff mounts in the other 3 locations. I do have the option to install a tension rod style of front mount should I feel the need to, this will simply involve the manufacture and welding of a fixing mount onto the new front crossmember with the tension rod mating up with another fabricated mount in the usual H22 location.


Hyabusa Hunter
Regarding the traction bar setup. I kinda had a feeling that you would pick up on that and ask the question because they are different to yours.
Remember, our two cars are going to have very different purposes and for that reason some ideas that look similar on paper will also have different solutions.
There are a couple of reasons why the orientation of the front spherical bearing is the way it is, one of them is purely for ground clearance and the other is to do with loadings :wink:
The spherical bearing at the LCA end may not even stay as I will also be testing a solid link at that end. Two similar yet different approaches to overcome a specific problem.


popo bawa
Thankyou for your comments, believe me when I say I'm trying not to think of how many hours have gone into this already...and that's not including all the previous many many man hours spent developing the car before the big strip even started. Scary really.
I think the right decision was taken to MiG the shell in the end... the time and grief to TiG it really just couldn't have been justified.
You obviously work in the motorsport world or bodyshop enviroment, hope you don't mind me asking what sort of things you prep?


pure led stew
Great post and thanks for your feedback. Hope I don't get you too frustrated with the very slow progress. The last couple of months have been painfully slow due to too many other commitments etc but I am hoping the next month or two will see some dramatic steps taken one way or another.
Biggest problem is that all the big "in yer face" items have pretty much been fitted and now it's at the point where I can spend say 15-20 hours on it over a weekend and you step back and take a look to see basically very little for your efforts.
Glad to hear we've managed to convert you to the 4th gen .... it's funny really because I am growing ever fonder of the 5th gens :shock:



Thanks for sticking with me and sorry as usual for the long post...without further delay I shall now post the latest updates.

Thanks
Rich

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