Well, you're entitled to your OBJECTIVE opinion of course, but I'm afraid you are well off on the wrong tangent with your link into my collection there suggesting mine isn't objective - I started off by pointing out I'd never owned a pug so had no allegiance to them and have previously documented how pissed off I am at the way PSA have diluted all 'citroeness' out of citroen, but never mind eh, I guess I must not be blessed with the entitlement of looking at things objectively..?
I don't offer any opinion on modern Renaults, because I've never owned or really even travelled in any.
I agree there are certainly some interior parts on very modern Citroens/Pugs (because they're now basically the same as I said just a couple of posts ago

) that are very poor. Not in a sense they're in anyway flimsy or falling off, but there are bits like the door pulls and dash trims where the original single colour has been re-coloured into various different textures and colours and unfortunately those re-colours are very thin top overs and wear out within literally a couple of years. That's utterly bum droppings. But then again, I've observed exactly the same thing in modern Vectra's and Passats, so... meh?
One of my mates runs Mondeo's for his work vehicles and changes them after 3 years. I find the interiors on them to be pretty solid, but extremely oppressive and I've yet to be in one where the A pillar trim fits properly and stays attached.
My point has been that all modern cars are the same - they're cheap disposable things. Some are better than others in some regards - on that I think Phil said, you pays your money and takes your choice - but equally, many people still look at certain brands with rose-tinted glasses because of past glories or because they're the 'accepted brand' of the time, so it's easy to go along with the crowd...
I am totally lost on your suggestion that they're designed to cost you money on parts and even if they were, are you suggesting parts for Pugs and Cits are expensive? In comparison to your Honda and Bimmer?
I expected the C5 to be a poor imitation of the sort of Citroen I like, but having gone and bought one (because I purely needed a big car for putting stuff in that's brilliant for towing with) I've found OBJECTIVELY that I had actually massively underestimated it and it is a drokking good car! It's done 150k, not been looked after and yet there's absolutely nothing about it that suggests it's done more than a few k. That's impressive.
As singling them out for things like bulb changes being harder to work on? Sorry, that's just bollocks, pure and simple. It's another modern car thing that jobs like that are often a ridiculous PITA to do (taking a bumper off to change a headlight bulb? Really?

what

thought that was sensible) but it's all centred around trying to make you go back to a dealer. That's why everything (on all modern cars) is covered in plastic jobby. (Actually though, to my surprise I have to say having just started to tackle a couple of those things on the C5, I've actually not found any car that's easier to do that on - it's a damn site easier changing the dash bulbs than on the lude)
