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Post by nucleustylzlude » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:23 pm

nucleustylzlude wrote: I would ask the electric board for a scanned copy of a standard OS map showing the location of services on your land, including this cable. Don’t mention anything about any proposals you are going to make.
I forgot to add - this alone isn't enough to know the location of the actual cable. It is never 100% accurate and things move in the ground over time. This will just give you an indication as to the extent of your problems! :lol:

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Post by Vtecmec » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:38 pm

Take two steps back from all of this, ask the cable company to provide you with a copy of the wayleave (and services location map) for their property on your land, if they cannot, you can request that it is removed at their cost.

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Post by nucleustylzlude » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:46 pm

While that might be so, they'll probably provide it. Plus the time it will take to have this completed - Nath might have his car finished by then! :shock: :lol:

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Post by nucleustylzlude » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:47 pm

I forgot to ask, what searches did you have done during the conveyance when you bought the house - you 'should' have copies of this if they did there job properly.

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Post by wurlycorner » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:20 pm

nucleustylzlude wrote:Unfortunately in the HSE’s eyes (Health & Safety Executive) it is ultimately the client / landowners responsibility to provide adequate services information to the contractor.
That's for a commercial client but it's different for a private customer.
Commercial client carries risks under CDM, but CDM doesn't apply to non commercial customers, so that's why, e.g. as a domestic customer, you have no responsibility or requirement (or even expectation under the law) to check their RAMS - the contractor carries all the responsibility, purely because in the eyes of the law it's unreasonable to expect joe public to be an informed buyer, but it's reasonable to expect a contractor to be 'competent' at their job and familiar with the relevant regulations covering their job.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/cdm/ ... tic.htm#q2
http://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/cdm/ ... tic.htm#q3

If they dug without surveying or CAT scanning first, it's their problem (unless you told them to do that).
Personally I would be demanding surveying/CAT scanning first because I don't fancy the idea of explosions on my garden (if the contractor blows themselves up that's their look out, but it leaves a terrible mess and I wouldn't be able to watch TV that night because of no power :( ) - but that's only because I know a bit about construction in the first place...
nucleustylzlude wrote:99% of the time there won’t be enough slack to do so
Yep, absolutely. If that's your only or best option though, it would be worth checking out, just in case - you might (won't) be lucky and it might enter and then leave your garden from the side you want to move it to, in which case, happy days! :D It is all down to luck though...
What I'm suggesting if doing live is hand dig to expose, split duct over and then slew.
The contractor should then properly re-bury the cable (i.e. use the yellow 'Live Cable' tape over the top etc. )
nucleustylzlude wrote:I mean in pavement construction where there are multiple services, LV cables can be laid as little as 280mm from boundary properties, half that for lamp post foundations! So to me 1.0m sounds a bit excessive just to suit their ‘build needs’. They can hand dig just like they have to do on a whole host of their own works – its part of the job. It only because it costs more to hand dig than machine dig. I would seriously reduce that 1.0m recommended margin.
This was exactly my thinking, though much less bluntly put :lol:

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Post by NafemanNathan » Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:36 pm

Thanks for all that Rob. I appreciate completely how long that would have taken to write :)

Thanks to the rest of you as well. I was all ready to say screw it and give them 300mm, but when I got home I found this...

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:facepalm: :lol:

I remembered as soon as I saw it, that this morning when I spoke to my builder, in a worry and disbelief I'd said "Well if that's as far over as it has to be then that's how far over it has to be". I'd just asked them to make sure they build the block wall off-centre closer to the boundary.

As it turns out the cable does run perfectly parallel with the boundary (and therefore the garage base). They've marked it out with red paint and also provided OS plans, which funnily enough are dated 04/07/2014 :lol:

So you can see how far over the new trench is now...

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And it's not quite a metre away, so once the block wall is offset it'll be nearer 750-800mm from the existing plan (Now 1665mm-1715mm from the boundary).

So although it's space behind the garage I didn't really want, at least it's now more of a useable space now.

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Post by nucleustylzlude » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:18 pm

Iain: 100% correct on the domestic client front, something I should know! :whistle:

Nath: No worries bud. After all that they just got on with it. :lol:
What about extending the roof to make a kind of lean to - think of all the storage for car bits! :scaredtoss: :poke:



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Post by NafemanNathan » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:33 pm

:lol: Yeah, that's already the plan :D I've got a lot of things that don't warrant being kept inside, so it'll be ideal for those things :)

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Post by wurlycorner » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:39 pm

I was thinking exactly the same on the lean-to :lol: I have wheels and exhausts stored in the space behind my shed ;)

It's very difficult to switch out of work reg mode on these things sometimes Rob :D

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Post by prelude91 » Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:34 pm

B/h this is one helluva 'build thread'

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