Corner screaming wobbliness

[sproggy29]

I know its seems like a daily thing that I post random and obscure questions and I promise that they will soon stop but I thought today I might ask if anybody else had experienced the terror?!

The terror of high speed corner entry under steer? the panic that whilst you maybe thinking that's all the steering input she will take, she canny give any more captain! she is going straight for that wall not far away that leads nicely if not totally in the wrong direction and onto the M5 when all I wanted was to make a hasty exit of the Midlands worst (debateable) traffic island? while its doing this not cornering lark it also feels like I have a wheel off the ground and its wobbling, this I assume is the tyre trying without hope to bite into the tarmac, asphalt whatever, and under rotating. I have not hit a track and so I reckon its my entry speed but I would have thought with the Lude being fairly tight and hardly any roll it would stick like glue up to a point.

Question: What's a decent entry speed for an elongated corner with a tight apex? should it be a case of maintaining speed at a low level in order to make a more fluid exit or slow in fast out? it seems to take an age to exit the corner you see, when at low speed?

Some might say, better tyres others a brace bar, but in order to fully understand the physics of motion and then improve upon it, it would be helpful to understand the car limitations and more importantly were I am going wrong the improve what I believe to be an already amazing car.......thoughts?

[lewd lude lover]

its a front wheel drive car.

There's your problem.

I think all would say better tires, bracing, polybushes, coilovers and the only way I ever found to pretty much totally kill all understeer in a lude was to buy a type S. Then you're more likely to go in back end first.

what tires are you running first. your entry speed question is moot as we dont know the corner nor how fast you are going. If your going too fast for the car either upgrade the car or slowdown.

[Asacei]

I know its seems like a daily thing that I post random and obscure questions and I promise that they will soon stop but I thought today I might ask if anybody else had experienced the terror?!

I have experienced the terror, but only on track and to be fair I had run out of brake pads at the time

Question: What's a decent entry speed for an elongated corner with a tight apex? should it be a case of maintaining speed at a low level in order to make a more fluid exit or slow in fast out? it seems to take an age to exit the corner you see, when at low speed?

I would say this is pretty much an impossible question to answer by anyone who is not extreemly familiar with the corner in question and even then there are just too many variables - what actual speed were you doing, what you did with the throttle during the corner, the condition of car/suspension/tyres, the road conditions at the time, driver ability etc

were I am going wrong the improve what I believe to be an already amazing car.......thoughts?

Again all really difficult to answer - is this observation of how the car typically handles or is it a one off?, every car will have its limits knowing where those limits are and how they vary depending on the corner/conditions is the first step. A track session(s) and possibly a skidpan session might well teach you a thing or two about the car. Then if understeer does seem to be the limiting factor then you can uprate/adjust the cars set up to help in that area.

Entry speed to a corner is only one factor to cornering fast, on track having the highest possible entry speed generally is not the best way to make good progress hence the good old 'slow in - fast out' mantra

hope that helps

[Gayno]

I wanted was to make a hasty exit of the Midlands worst (debateable) traffic island?

Which island are we talking about here?!

[sproggy29]

Junction 1 west Bromwich and 2 Oldbury

[sproggy29]

its a front wheel drive car.

There's your problem.

I think all would say better tires, bracing, polybushes, coilovers and the only way I ever found to pretty much totally kill all understeer in a lude was to buy a type S. Then you're more likely to go in back end first.

what tires are you running first. your entry speed question is moot as we dont know the corner nor how fast you are going. If your going too fast for the car either upgrade the car or slowdown.

slowing down? Its certainly different, I may try it. I always thought that although every car is different the lude would have a speed at which, when standard it can no longer hold the corner. Unfortunately when having these moments i am staring at walls and bridges and not my speedo and i don't mean budgie smuggler's seeing if i am all semi with fear. i need a track, not to far from me i think, give the old girl a good thrashing.
thanks for your advice.

[sproggy29]

I know its seems like a daily thing that I post random and obscure questions and I promise that they will soon stop but I thought today I might ask if anybody else had experienced the terror?!

I have experienced the terror, but only on track and to be fair I had run out of brake pads at the time

Question: What's a decent entry speed for an elongated corner with a tight apex? should it be a case of maintaining speed at a low level in order to make a more fluid exit or slow in fast out? it seems to take an age to exit the corner you see, when at low speed?

I would say this is pretty much an impossible question to answer by anyone who is not extreemly familiar with the corner in question and even then there are just too many variables - what actual speed were you doing, what you did with the throttle during the corner, the condition of car/suspension/tyres, the road conditions at the time, driver ability etc

were I am going wrong the improve what I believe to be an already amazing car.......thoughts?

Again all really difficult to answer - is this observation of how the car typically handles or is it a one off?, every car will have its limits knowing where those limits are and how they vary depending on the corner/conditions is the first step. A track session(s) and possibly a skidpan session might well teach you a thing or two about the car. Then if understeer does seem to be the limiting factor then you can uprate/adjust the cars set up to help in that area.

Entry speed to a corner is only one factor to cornering fast, on track having the highest possible entry speed generally is not the best way to make good progress hence the good old 'slow in - fast out' mantra

hope that helps

i will bear this in mind. Skid pan sounds like fun! Clean draws for that i should think

[Gayno]

Junction 1 west Bromwich and 2 Oldbury

J1 I agree with.

J2 is just a normal roundabout with an exit for Asda though!

[sproggy29]

Junction 1 west Bromwich and 2 Oldbury

J1 I agree with.

J2 is just a normal roundabout with an exit for Asda though!

i dunno about that J2 at 0730hrs is bloody horrendous. From Oldbury toward toys r us its 4 lanes across, the set of lights in the lane next to the island across all 4 to hit the off is great when there's nothing there but the joining traffic makes it rain brown liquid in my jodpers...