What do you make of this?
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:26 am
The end of modified cars?
http://www.the-ace.org.uk/armageddon/
http://www.the-ace.org.uk/armageddon/
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:06 am
thats jobby, they have already consulted behind closed doors. does this meen that any mods are illigal should this be made law.
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:43 am
Government would loose millions of revenue each year if they did that, think how much tax you pay on parts you buy, plus how much you pay on insurance and there cut out of that and fuel!
Joke if it is true most MP's are petrol heads as such
Joke if it is true most MP's are petrol heads as such
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:53 am
This argument has been raging for years, I remember very similar about 2006 when I had the Mustang and all the panic posts went round.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not for a second saying that's what this is and it shouldn't be taken seriously, but I think to suddenly make a whole host of cars instantly illegal without prior warning would be madness.
Sooner we tell the EU to drokk off the better IMHO, who wanted to be part of it anyway? Oh yeah....Blair...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not for a second saying that's what this is and it shouldn't be taken seriously, but I think to suddenly make a whole host of cars instantly illegal without prior warning would be madness.
Sooner we tell the EU to drokk off the better IMHO, who wanted to be part of it anyway? Oh yeah....Blair...
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:14 am
there are constitutional laws preventing legislation that actively prevents people from work and employment. these car law's, if put in place, would put maybe 300,000 people out of work across the EU. This could not be allowed.
not in an economic downturn.
safety is secondary to EU jobs in the grand picture imo.
not in an economic downturn.
safety is secondary to EU jobs in the grand picture imo.
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:15 am
The car modifying industry is huge... Think of all the companies that would go bust and the people who would lose their jobs if no aftermarket parts were legal anymore. The government can't just destroy something like that?! 
Plus as said before, car parts are very expensive, think of all the tax that the government would lose out on.
Whilst I can see some of the conveniences of the EU, I think it's total jobby that EU law completely overrides each member states own laws. I mean every state has such a different culture from another that it's a drokking joke anyone thinks it's appropriate to slap broad laws across all of them. It's like the bloody Euro, I don't get what the point of a single currency is when every country has it's own economy anyway?? Fair enough you don't need to change up money on your holidays, but realistically the value of the Euro will be different in each country depending on inflation. It doesn't even make sense as a currency to trade in, as the US Dollar has been the mainstay of international markets for a long time...
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Plus as said before, car parts are very expensive, think of all the tax that the government would lose out on. Whilst I can see some of the conveniences of the EU, I think it's total jobby that EU law completely overrides each member states own laws. I mean every state has such a different culture from another that it's a drokking joke anyone thinks it's appropriate to slap broad laws across all of them. It's like the bloody Euro, I don't get what the point of a single currency is when every country has it's own economy anyway?? Fair enough you don't need to change up money on your holidays, but realistically the value of the Euro will be different in each country depending on inflation. It doesn't even make sense as a currency to trade in, as the US Dollar has been the mainstay of international markets for a long time...
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:33 pm
would spell the end of companies like brabus and cosworth and recaro what are they if not aftermarket suppliers
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:14 pm
^^^exactly. as soon as a serious push is made all the trade unionists will start up. No chance.
once a successful market thrives on both supply AND demand it is VERY hard to close it down. I mean look at illegal drugs.... not like they make much dent in that is it?
once a successful market thrives on both supply AND demand it is VERY hard to close it down. I mean look at illegal drugs.... not like they make much dent in that is it?
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:24 pm
It would cause no end of problems. Imagine all the jobs that would be lost, businesses closed, stock binned, cars scrapped. I'm fairly lucky in that my car isn't far off standard but many of you would have to pay an arm & a leg to put it all back, plus all the money lost on parts that couldn't be sold on (except to track users). The economy would collapse. It won't happen unless the government are mad (oh wait )
)Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:35 pm
It started a while back in Germany...........2008
TUV Testing
This page represents my understanding of the TUV checks being introduced in 2008. If you can provide further or better information, please let me know. The executive summary is that police and TUV inspectors will be at the Ring carrying out checks on cars that cause them concern. Cars which, when checked, cannot show that they are legal and safe will not be allowed access. It is likely that heavily-modified cars will get the most attention: cages, harnesses, stripped interiors, etc. However, my understanding is that checks will be carried out only when they have some concern, not on a random basis.
Background
TUV is the testing body responsible for safety testing (for a whole range of products, not just cars and bikes). There are two aspects of interest to us. First, German vehicles must pass a TUV test (like the British MOT, but much tougher). Second, parts sold to be fitted to German cars must themselves be tested and get a TUV certificate.
German cars
For German cars, nothing changes other than better enforcement. It is already the case that you your car's TUV papers must show that all modifications were made with TUV-approved parts and that the safety of the installation has been approved by a TUV inspector.
What will be happening in 2008 is that TUV inspectors and police will be making regular checks. You will be required to produce a TUV certificate which lists all the modifications made to the car. If you have unapproved modifications, you will not be allowed access and the police may prosecute.
If you have unapproved parts on a German car, and do not have the correct papers, you should arrange for a TUV inspector to carry out a Einzelabnahme inspection which (if it passes) will then certify that the parts and fitting are safe. If you have parts with ABE (Allgemeine Betriebs Erlaubnis) or Teile Gutachten papers, then the inspector can do a simplified inspection looking purely at the installation.
Foreign cars
Foreign cars will not have to produce TUV papers. However, the inspectors will have the right to satisfy themselves that the car is safe. You may thus need to be in a position to demonstrate that modifications use quality approved parts. Your best bet is to carry the paperwork that came with things like rollcages, aftermarket suspension, brakes, etc, to show that they have some kind of approval: TUV, FIA, EC markings, etc. The ideal paperwork to satisfy German authorities is TUV, ABE (Allgemeine Betriebs Erlaubnis) or Teile Gutachten, but the more paperwork you can produce, the better.
If you have a heavily-modified car and want to be completely safe, you can arrange to have a Vollabnahme - this is equivalent to the UK's SVA (Single Vehicle Approval). It is a very tough TUV inspection (it takes about four hours), but the advantage is they can do it on the chassis number, so you can get a Vollabnahme for a foreign car. (This is the first step in German-registering a foreign car.) Only a limited number of TUV inspectors are licenced to carry out Vollabnahme tests.
TUV Testing
This page represents my understanding of the TUV checks being introduced in 2008. If you can provide further or better information, please let me know. The executive summary is that police and TUV inspectors will be at the Ring carrying out checks on cars that cause them concern. Cars which, when checked, cannot show that they are legal and safe will not be allowed access. It is likely that heavily-modified cars will get the most attention: cages, harnesses, stripped interiors, etc. However, my understanding is that checks will be carried out only when they have some concern, not on a random basis.
Background
TUV is the testing body responsible for safety testing (for a whole range of products, not just cars and bikes). There are two aspects of interest to us. First, German vehicles must pass a TUV test (like the British MOT, but much tougher). Second, parts sold to be fitted to German cars must themselves be tested and get a TUV certificate.
German cars
For German cars, nothing changes other than better enforcement. It is already the case that you your car's TUV papers must show that all modifications were made with TUV-approved parts and that the safety of the installation has been approved by a TUV inspector.
What will be happening in 2008 is that TUV inspectors and police will be making regular checks. You will be required to produce a TUV certificate which lists all the modifications made to the car. If you have unapproved modifications, you will not be allowed access and the police may prosecute.
If you have unapproved parts on a German car, and do not have the correct papers, you should arrange for a TUV inspector to carry out a Einzelabnahme inspection which (if it passes) will then certify that the parts and fitting are safe. If you have parts with ABE (Allgemeine Betriebs Erlaubnis) or Teile Gutachten papers, then the inspector can do a simplified inspection looking purely at the installation.
Foreign cars
Foreign cars will not have to produce TUV papers. However, the inspectors will have the right to satisfy themselves that the car is safe. You may thus need to be in a position to demonstrate that modifications use quality approved parts. Your best bet is to carry the paperwork that came with things like rollcages, aftermarket suspension, brakes, etc, to show that they have some kind of approval: TUV, FIA, EC markings, etc. The ideal paperwork to satisfy German authorities is TUV, ABE (Allgemeine Betriebs Erlaubnis) or Teile Gutachten, but the more paperwork you can produce, the better.
If you have a heavily-modified car and want to be completely safe, you can arrange to have a Vollabnahme - this is equivalent to the UK's SVA (Single Vehicle Approval). It is a very tough TUV inspection (it takes about four hours), but the advantage is they can do it on the chassis number, so you can get a Vollabnahme for a foreign car. (This is the first step in German-registering a foreign car.) Only a limited number of TUV inspectors are licenced to carry out Vollabnahme tests.