Honda make crappy cars and live on their reputation

'92 Si VTEC · Post by **jjmartin349571** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:06 am

ziyaan wrote:What about the new I-dtec ??
They rev up to 7k lol

They're powered by the fuel of Satan himself though

ziyaan · Post by **ziyaan** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:21 am

I rate diesal now

Im amazed at the fine engineering that goes into a diesal engine, high pressure and the torque

That's by the by now

Everything is going toward electric and I think we have had an idea of how they want cars to be
If you watch irobot thats pretty much will be how cars will be looking like soon to come
All bubble, hands free driving, that's why these cars are looking so space shipified. And tracking devices so if the cops want u you can't do a legger, they will send a signal to stop your car or lock you down and bring it into the station

Late 80'e to the 90's jap in fact all cars were best in looks. But maybe that's because we grew up with those
Because all the kids are in love with the golf r20 like they never heard of a vr6 corado storm and turd their pants at the RS6 when we all know a crx with a bit of of work will smash it all over the place

The 'energy crisis' has left engine designers with their pants pulled down
Now it's all about effiency and economy instead of power look at f1 as an example of this
So what do you expect

bennyboy · Post by **bennyboy** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:24 am

Yeah, but where does electricity come from?

Personally, I think they will wring every last drop out of whatever gives the most profit (fossil fuels), with leccy cars as a stop gap before eventually hydrogen cars. Honda have already done that too - you can buy and drive one in California at present. NO moving parts in the 'engine' and the ONLY by product is H2O..water.

ziyaan · Post by **ziyaan** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:26 am

Will be magnet motors soon

'92 Si VTEC · Post by **jjmartin349571** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:48 am

I rate diesel for fuel efficiency if you do mega high miles, which is why I'm currently looking for a very old TDI as a daily driver. The service costs of modern diesel cars are phenomenal compared to their petrol equivalents though, the diesel Accord fellas I know would testify to this I'm sure, and that's down to the increased complexity of engineering needed to make a diesel as refined as a petrol engine. Rule of thumb from the Accord forum was if you do under 15K per anum you may as well run a petrol car rather than a recent diesel Accord.

Nuclear cars ftw I reckon

Dino · Post by **Dino** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:16 pm

FD2 Civic Type-R? Fantastic motor and still stuck to the original TypeR ethos.
Deffinately not a run of the mill, mass market solution

Shiny · Post by **Shiny** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:18 pm

bennyboy wrote:Honda have already done that too - you can buy and drive one in California at present. NO moving parts in the 'engine' and the ONLY by product is H2O..water.

Yeah, but it takes drokking ages to fill up the all the balloons with water....

Post by **Lude-dude** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:20 pm

Dino wrote:FD2 Civic Type-R? Fantastic motor and still stuck to the original TypeR ethos.
Deffinately not a run of the mill, mass market solution

I do actually like this shape, better than the breadvan anyway

I just hate golf, audi's, bmw's.

well made cars but just boring, souless, nazi machines

Supermarine Blues · Post by **Supermarine Blues** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:57 pm

Don't buy into the electrickery the marketing wonks and the banksters are trying to sell to you - even the market projections realistically state that in the next decade, merely 20% of the market will be 'alternatives' including hybrids.

Thus, Honda's current dropping of 'proper' sporting vehicles in favour of heavily-compromised hybrids could prove to be their undoing. The CR-Z is fine if you've never driven one of its antecedents. If you have, it's a disaster area.

Do not buy into the 'well made' ethos - the PQ may be excellent, but the BQ of some of these nazimobiles is questionable. We seriously looked at replacing the 12 year-old EK4 recently and frustratingly have so far drawn a blank. The CR-Z and Scirocco fell, because the visibility/driving positions are both way too flawed before you even get to the slight soullessness of the drive. The low scuttle, DW suspension and low H-point plus the fizzy engine and compact dimensions make the little Civ great fun to drive and paying a lot of money for a worse car seems pointless.

Diseasels stink; the cost of replacement HP pumps and turbos negates all the alleged economy and ooooooh-torque (for those that cannot use a transmission correctly) and that caution seems to be effecting the DI turbo-petrols that are currently in vogue too.

A LOT of the JD Power reliability issues are also down to all the pointless FREDs that replace true engineering in modern 'shared architecture' vehicles. It's also that 'shared architecture' that gives the coupes a flawed, bodged-CUV driving position and other unpleasant compromises.

So in conclusion, although Honda's current range is utterly boring and there's not one I'd want to buy, it doesn't get a great deal better elsewhere, as yet.

vtectom · Post by **vtectom** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:17 pm

Spoke to my neighbour's bro today.
He's been an AA patrol man for 8 years.
Excluding flat batteries & punctures, he's only had 2 Honda
call-outs in all that time!!

One was a stuck filler cap on a Civic, the other a worn dizzy arm
on an Accord. Hardly major issues.

Based on this info I will stick with Hondas just not the boring ones.